Breaking Hate with Christian Picciolini
The Marianne Williamson Podcast
Marianne Williamson
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2021
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
Christian Picciolini was a vulnerable 14-year old when approached by a leader of a neo-Nazi group in Chicago. Christian fell in with the group and remained for eight years, becoming a leader in the white supremacist skinhead movement.
Today, Picciolini is free of his white supremacist background; he is a leading de-radicalizer of those who remain within its lure. In this timely conversation with Marianne, Picciolini details his descent into hate, how he ultimately escaped, and how he’s using his experience and knowledge to free others.
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| 0:00.0 | It was in the DNA of being a white nationalist. It's in the DNA of being a proud boy. It's in the DNA of being a Klanzman. It's in the DNA of being a neo-Nazi skinhead or, you know, American Nazi party that they are better and they must eliminate, not just separate, they must eliminate the enemy. |
| 0:31.7 | Hey, everybody. |
| 0:33.1 | Miriam Williamson here. |
| 0:34.2 | Welcome to the podcast. |
| 0:36.4 | Well, these are dramatic times. |
| 0:38.4 | We have a new president of the United States. Much to be excited about in terms of possibilities for the podcast. Well, these are dramatic times. We have a new president of the United States, |
| 0:43.7 | much to be excited about in terms of possibilities for the future, but also, as we're all aware, |
| 0:49.7 | much to be concerned about as well, a kind of hangover from the past, particularly the problem of right-wing hate groups, white supremacist groups that are core to the riot at the U.S. Capitol |
| 0:56.1 | on January 6th. |
| 0:58.0 | Now, quite a bit ago, a few weeks ago, I interviewed Christian Piccellini, and Christian is someone |
| 1:04.2 | who is an expert on this topic. |
| 1:06.6 | He knows all about white supremacist groups and skinheads and neo-Nazis. |
| 1:11.6 | Why? |
| 1:12.6 | Because he once was one. |
| 1:14.6 | He wrote a book called Breaking Hate, Confronting the new culture of extremism, which is one of the best things I have ever read on this subject. |
| 1:22.6 | He not only describes the problem from the inside, but he also describes how to dismantle it. |
| 1:30.2 | He is now someone called a former, someone who has been a part of one of those groups and is now an |
| 1:35.9 | expert at helping people to de-radicalize. |
| 1:39.0 | But before I introduce you to Christian, I want to read you something. |
| 1:42.7 | When I was preparing to talk to you today, |
| 1:44.8 | I remember the line from the book, A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens, a line we've all heard |
| 1:50.0 | so many times. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. And when I was thinking about the |
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