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Galaxy Brain

Breaking Free From Alex Jones

Galaxy Brain

The Atlantic

Technology

4.51.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Galaxy Brain, Charlie Warzel speaks with Josh Owens, a videographer and the author of a memoir about his years working for Infowars, the media company of the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Owens traces his journey from a film-school student who stumbled onto Jones’s radio show to an insider who spent four years filming, editing, and traveling for the organization. Owens describes how Jones’s conspiracy machine works, as well as how his own moral compass was scrambled by Jones’s manipulative management. The conversation explores radicalization, the conspiratorial media ecosystem Jones helped create, and how Owens was able to pull himself out.  Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at theAtlantic.com/listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:19.0

Jones was not sitting there telling us to lie about things.

0:22.6

He was making us question our own minds.

0:24.6

After years in that environment, you stop even believing the fire alarms that are going off in your brain saying, like, this is insane, this is crazy, this is wrong.

0:36.6

And you think, maybe there's something

0:39.1

else that I'm not seeing. I'm Charlie Wurzel, and this is Galaxy Brain, a show where today

0:48.7

we're going to talk about the twisted world of Alex Jones. One day in the spring of 2017, outside of a courtroom in Austin, Texas,

0:56.8

I got a tip about a potential source. I was in Texas writing a profile of Alex Jones,

1:02.0

famous conspiracist and the founder of Info Wars. I spent the last few weeks running around Austin

1:07.1

where Jones has lived his entire career. He started on public access TV, and over time, he slowly worked his way into the national

1:14.6

headlines.

1:15.4

I'd met a number of former InfoWars employees, but I was looking for an insider who could

1:19.9

help me understand how Jones's media empire worked, how Jones had gone from a fringe figure,

1:25.5

ranting about 9-11 being an inside job, and a person

1:28.5

who most of society ignored or mocked, to something much closer to the mainstream of the right

1:33.6

wing. He'd been preaching his anti-establishment, paranoid worldview for eons, but his business

1:39.2

had evolved. He made a ton of money selling supplements with names like Super male vitality serum, brainforce plus, and caveman.

1:47.7

And Jones's profile really began to rise around the 2016 presidential election.

1:52.1

At that moment, Jones seemed like he was everywhere.

1:54.7

InfoWars' Hillary for Prison T-shirts were fixtures at Trump rallies.

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