Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet and I are out with a new episode of The Insider podcast.

Today we're joined by our dear friend Vanita Gupta. Vanita is an experienced civil rights attorney,

who served as United States Associate Attorney General, led the Justice Department's Civil

Rights Division, and is now the director of the Center for Law and Public Trust at NYU Law School.

She joined us to discuss the fatal shooting of Renee Good by an ICE agent in Minneapolis,

including whether use of forced policies were followed if the ICE agent will face accountability

and what the future of ICE might look like in the aftermath of this incident.

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Let me get in, if it's okay, a little bit into the updated use of force policy, because

we updated it for a few reasons.

After George Floyd was murdered and the Justice Department was in Minneapolis prosecuting

the four officers responsible for his murder. There were some important

charges that we led with, including the duty to render medical aid, which is something that

people don't always assume as part of the federal use of force policy. And while agents,

at federal agents, were trained to the duty to render medical aid, it wasn't

part of the policy, and so we updated it. And so it isn't just the actual shooting itself

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