Hello, Wine Embers. My name is Jesse, and we come with another episode of The Wine Em

podcast where we teach you four rules to help you stop with the paycheck to paycheck,

get out of debt, and save more money. Today, I have with me on the show Ben, he works

here at Wine Em as of early 21, and you may, if you're familiar with what we're doing

over on TikTok. Can't believe I said that, but he is the dollar scholar over there, just

like it's spelled, the dollar scholar. And he focuses on getting the word out for students

that are in school, just graduated so naturally, Ben has found himself becoming an expert

on all things student loans. And if you have had your head in the sand for a little while,

then you wouldn't know this. And I am kind of like that. I will be honest. The details

I was, I learned a lot on this episode, but we talk about all things student loans.

And a while ago, we had a guest on the podcast talking about different strategies for

paying off your student loans. There were a lot of options, and it's a complex thing

to navigate. But Ben and I were talking today about the student loan forgiveness, the

different income-based plans. And I was told by Haley, who helps me with a lot of the

podcast stuff, like, hey, do this topic, do that. She told Ben and me not to get political.

So we did our very best. But I understand that feelings are all over the place on this

topic because it is political. So we did our best. And frankly, I feel like we did a

pretty good job. Now, if you want to talk politics with me, I am, I'm so gay, more than

gay. I only have one rule. And it is that it has to be face to face in my house or at lunch

or something. And then we can just go to town because I've actually never had a conversation

like that that I didn't enjoy. But on the internet, no, no, absolutely not. We avoided

at all costs. So we did our very best to avoid it here. Just give you the facts. Talk about

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