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BREAKING: CDC, Education, and Health Departments Hit by Mass Firings

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.7 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Sam Stein takes on the shocking Friday night purge inside the federal government—with mass firings at the CDC, Education Department, and more—explaining what really happened, why it breaks every precedent, and why insiders need to speak up now.

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the bulwark. I am doing an emergency

0:05.7

bulwark take here on Saturday. It's about 3.45 p.m. The reason we're doing this is that

0:12.8

overnight there was some remarkable bad news involving the administration.

0:22.4

A slew of firings across the federal government from the administration owed to the government

0:30.2

shutdown, or at least that's what they say.

0:32.7

A number of different agencies have been hit, and I'm going to get to a couple of those. But I really

0:38.8

want to focus on one in particular, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, which is the

0:44.5

agency that is frankly in charge of making sure that we are on lookout for diseases, that we

0:52.3

have the proper research to deal with diseases when they come here,

0:56.9

and that we are doing everything we can in terms of prevention.

1:02.4

This administration has been taking an axe to the CDC since the get-go, RFK Jr.,

1:07.4

the Health and Human Services Secretary, has had it in for the CDC owing to

1:13.6

a long-standing gripes anti-vaccine quackery, but also what happened during COVID.

1:18.6

He thinks the agency has lost its mind and lost its direction and lost its purpose.

1:22.6

He also doesn't believe necessarily in combating infectious diseases. He believes in wellness and prevention and things

1:28.3

like that. And so if you remember a couple months ago, there was a fairly dramatic firing of the

1:33.7

CDC director by RFK Jr. because he wanted her to sign off on all of his vaccine recommendations

1:40.0

without looking at the data. She said no. She resigned and then a number of other top

1:44.6

CDC officials resigned. So that's the backdrop already to this. But last night, Friday night,

1:51.3

the administration took a second swing of the acts at the CDC. And they went after some of the

1:59.4

sub-agencies in ways that are kind of confounding to me. The data is

2:04.1

coming in a little bit sporadically because not everyone is sure who actually was fired. They're

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