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It is Wednesday, March 8th, and today I'm excited to share with you a conversation with

Dimitri Kofinas, the host of the Hidden Forces podcast.

Hidden Forces started as a way for Dimitri to connect or expand his love of markets with numerous different disciplines,

right, to try to understand markets by looking out at different domains from art to science,

to psychology and beyond. It has turned into, I think, one of the most unique podcasts in the

business space because it comes at business and markets

topics, but with this really interesting, broad, kind of polyglot lens, which I find just

really, really powerful. Now, the last few weeks, few months have been a really chaotic time in markets, obviously,

and trying to understand them.

I've turned to numerous different experts, have invited people on the show,

just as a way to have a different lens on the world.

I wanted Dimitri to come have a conversation about what conversations we weren't having enough of yet,

or even more specifically, what conversations it felt like we weren't allowed to have.

So this conversation is a lot about the dimensions of the economic crisis that are

taboo in some way or have become so rotely politicized so quickly that they're

crowding out space for other types of conversations. Dmitri has a perspective that is

informed not only by his own research but by the hundreds and hundreds of guests he's talked to.

So I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do as well. One note before we

dive in, as always, when I do a long interview like this, we edit it extremely lightly,

try to keep it as much like the original conversation as possible. So without further ado,

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