Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, STS Nation?

And welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all

of true crime. And we have made it to Friday. Feels like a Friday. And I'm glad we're here.

And you might notice it's a different fill. It's not the iL phil it's the p h iL fill it's the

p h i l phil sounds like a bit of a rap song but um bill waters is uh traveling back from the

big island of hawaii uh to his home in houston texas and uh while i told him to do it live from his private jet,

he,

by the way,

it's a Ferrari jet.

He declined.

He said he'd be too busy crying that he's leaving behind,

sweet little nugget.

So he will join us next week.

For those who have been living under Iraq,

this is Scott Duffy,

Professor Scott Duffy looking very professorial.

As I was saying,

retired FBI agent,

a retired police officer,

and now a professor

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