This is the Libertarian podcast from the Hoover Institution. I'm your host Tom Church and I'm joined as always by the Libertarian Professor Richard Epstein.

Richard is the Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow here at the Hoover Institution. He's the

Lawrence A Tish Professor of Law at NYU and is a senior lecturer at the University of

Chicago. A Richard, it is Thursday, March 30th, a date that is going to be in history books

because it is now the first time that a former president has been indicted.

So news just broke that former president Trump has been indicted in New York for his involvement with

hush money payments made to Stormy Daniels and as the Wall Street Journal reporting

maybe another woman. We're still getting details because this has literally just happened.

But I'd like to you, Richard, to start by walking me through the case that you think is going to be made in court here. I mean, hash money payments in and of themselves,

I don't think are illegal, but the question here is, how is this going to be charged in conjunction with campaign finance rules and business

expenses?

Well we haven't seen the indictment and what that indictment will do is contain some effort to link

the two things together. It will rely very

heavily on the testimony of Michael Cohen who says that this was not done in

order to prevent marital embarrassments by Trump and his wife.

And the argument that will be made in favor of that

is she knew about all this stuff to begin with.

So there's no way they could conceal to her

any of his philandering.

This was just part of the DNA of that particular marriage and so if you can

exclude would be the argument an effort to protect his reputation within the

family there's only one thing left which what he's trying to do is to alter the outcome of a political

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