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The Running for Real Podcast

Brad Stulberg: The Practice of Groundedness - R4R 276

The Running for Real Podcast

Tina Muir

Sports, Running, Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.71.3K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2021

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Accept where you are now to get to where you want to be. Long-term fulfillment is more valuable than short-term gain. Progress is nonlinear. Those are valuable principles for runners to follow, but they’re relevant to every aspect of your life, as Brad Stulberg explains in his new book, The Practice of Groundedness.

Everyone could benefit from practicing groundedness, but Brad’s model for success is especially pertinent for driven, type-A people, which describes many runners. Following his advice will help you become a better runner and person.

“Many people these days… are feeling a constant coming up short in a sense of never enoughness. I call this heroic individualism and I define it as a game of one-upmanship against self and others.”

So many people feel as though they always need to do more, achieve more. That could mean breaking a goal time in a race or getting a promotion, but whatever it is, it’s accompanied by the belief that once you achieve it, you’ll feel fulfilled. The solution to that arrival fallacy, Brad says, is what he calls “groundedness, which is a sense of strength and stability from where you are.”

“Groundedness does not eliminate goal setting or striving or even ambition, but what it does is, it situates it so that it's more durable and sturdy because it comes from a place of enoughness.”

Brad points to research that says that “if you play not to lose, you tend not to perform as well as playing to win... When we are feeling unmoored or frantic or like we need to do something and then we'll finally be content, generally you do that from a place of playing not to lose.” If instead you feel as though where you are right now is enough but you want to get better, then you start playing to win. That’s more likely to lead to a flow state or being in the zone, and is associated with more sustainable peak performance.

“We often confuse excitement and ease, even though they're very different things.”

Excitement, Brad explains, is “feeling that rush in your body of how great it's going to feel if you nail that workout in two weeks, or you PR that race... Ease, on the other hand, is what you get when you're present in the middle of a workout and your sense of self just kind of melts away because you're just flowing into the run.”

“Excitement, if you actually feel physiologically what that's like, is a lot closer to anxiety than to happiness, whereas ease is a lot closer to happiness than anxiety.”

Excitable runners believe that if they nail a workout, they’ll be happy all day, and they’re filled with self-doubt if they miss a workout or don’t hit their paces. A more easeful runner, Brad says, “is someone who can look at the entire process of improvement, of self discovery, of learning about themselves as a person, as an athlete, and kind of settle into the training.” He offers Eliud Kipchoge as “the ultimate embodiment of ease.”

“Yeah, you're faster when you're lighter, but you're slower when you're on the couch with a stress fracture.”

Being an easeful, rather than an excitable, runner can mean the difference between long-term success and burnout. The excitable approach may work for a few training cycles, but it will be unsustainable in the long term.

“Those hits of excitement are really powerful. But if you do those things over and over and over again, you start to feel like crap.”

Whether it’s in running or other aspects of your life, you need to learn how to not give in to the craving for excitement. Outside of running, that might mean ignoring the urge to check your phone to see if you’ve gotten an email or a “like” on your social media. Instead, work on staying grounded and present in the moment, and not allowing yourself to be distracted by the momentary high of an affirmation online.

That doesn’t mean that you have to disconnect entirely. Brad believes that “trying to have a goal of just being present always… is really hard in the 21st century and I think you set yourself up for a lot of failure and then a lot of self judgment if you have such a goal.” Instead, set aside blocks of time when you want to be fully present, and eventually you’ll find that those blocks can get longer and longer. It may not be easy at first, but it will be worth it. As Brad says,

“No one ever looks back and says a really happy moment was having a viral post. So I think it's really important to remember this.”

resources:

Brad's website

The Practice of Groundedness: A Transformative Path to Success That Feeds--Not Crushes--Your Soul

Brad's Twitter

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Running for Real, a global community with a shared love and curiosity for running.

0:14.1

Together, we reconnect with the reasons why we love to run and discover ways it helps

0:21.6

us become better people.

0:23.6

Whether it's the quiet moments of a morning run while the rest of the world still sleeps,

0:27.8

or befriending the strangers next to you at the start line of a race, we are here to connect

0:32.7

with others who see running as the common thread that weaves our lives together. Come join me,

0:38.0

Tina Muir, as I talk with people from all walks of life united by a love of running.

0:47.4

Hello my friends, welcome to episode 276 of the Running for Real podcast.

0:53.3

Thank you for joining me today. I am excited that you are here and excited for this episode

0:58.8

is a mild understatement when you get an email from my guest today saying hi, I am the author of

1:05.9

peak performance, the co-author of peak performance and the author of the practice of groundedness.

1:12.0

You get a little bit excited and when that author says to you, would you be interested having me on

1:19.7

your show? Do you know what my response to him was? Heck yes, with about 50 exclamation points,

1:25.6

because I have wanted to interview my guest today for a long time. He is one of the great thinkers

1:32.0

in our space. We are so lucky to have this guy guiding us along the way and as you will hear me say

1:38.0

in this interview, his book, The Practice of Groundedness, is the book of every book I've read that

1:44.4

I felt spoke to me more than any other. It will be my number one recommendation, I think,

1:49.2

this year to get for runners and people, especially if you're that type of a driven person like

1:55.5

I am, I thoroughly enjoyed it today. I loved my conversation with Brad Stulberg, who I am excited

2:02.0

to welcome to the Running for Real podcast, without honestly a little bit sad that it's taken 276

2:07.1

episodes to get here. But here we are. Brad, we just talk about some really interesting things

2:14.7

today. This is really going to help you to feel more fulfilled in your life, to of course,

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