What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast.

I hope that yes, yesterday, or whenever you listened to the last episode with the first half of the interview with Ian Stan, I hope you enjoyed it.

This is the exciting conclusion of the interview. It's part two of two. This is the second half an hour.

And as you can tell from the interview, if you listen to the last episode. We were talking about all sorts of stuff. It was really fun and hopefully you guys enjoyed it. And it was entertaining and hopefully you

also learned some really cool things for your business as well. So with that said, I hope you

enjoy the episode. Thank you so much for listening. And I'll take you over now.

I'll listen to Part 2 of my interview with Ian Stanley.

So the big question is this. How are entrepreneurs like us who didn't cheat and take on venture capital for spending money from our own pockets?

How do we market in a way that lets us get our products and our services and the things that we believe in out to the world and yet still remain profitable?

That is the question in this podcast will give you the answers.

My name is Russell Brunson and welcome to marketing secrets.

We got Nathan Barry in the house now.

Hey, what's up, man?

And never use convert kicks.

It's the worst.

Oh, I'm kidding. It's all the uh the clicks and converts and all that

that's what's that's what boys he is just click funnels and click bank and convert kit

paul could not figure all right this is a very i got to quickly tell you this because it's a it's a

really quick stupid stupid story.

So we're at Craft and Commerce and Paul, the video guy, this one of the most interesting

human beings you'll ever meet in your entire life.

He goes to one of the talks at ConvertKit and he comes out of the like, you know,

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