Two Titans of Silicon Valley, one prize, dominance in the world of artificial intelligence.

Supremacy is the real story behind the struggle to own our digital future and potentially the very nature of human experience.

Supremacy by Parmy Olson, described as a riveting tale by the new scientist, winner of the Financial

Times Business Book of the Year, and now the Waterstone's nonfiction book of the month.

Listen to the audiobook of Supremacy Now.

Hello and welcome to Spectator's Book Club podcast.

I'm Sam Leith, the literary editor of The Spectator,

and my guest this week is the novelist Nicola Barker,

whose new book is called Tony Interruptor, all one word in camel case.

Nicola, this book is a story of a free jazz performance that goes wrong. Can you sort of set the scene a little bit? Yeah, well, it is a free jazz performance.

I wouldn't say it goes wrong. I think the performance is going well and then someone interrupts it.

So it's kind of like everything is going well and

everybody is very content with what's happening and what improvisation is and how free everybody is.

And then someone randomly stands up, interrupts and that's where the chaos begins. Everybody's kind of expectations,

everybody's sense of what's correct in that particular space.

I would say it gets overturned, but it gets questioned by someone.

And if you're someone that's interested in free things,

to have that freedom questioned is very, very disturbing, I think,

for all of us, for anyone. And it is in this context. And what your interrupter says is kind of

not irrelevant either, is it? It's like, it's not just an interruption. He says,

where's the effect of, are we all being honest here? Yeah, it's not just an interruption. He says, where's the effect of,

are we all being honest here? Yeah, is this honest? He's questioning the honesty of the

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