Bonus - War Without Ideology w/ China Miéville and Richard Seymour (Preview)
American Prestige
Daniel Bessner & Derek Davison
4.8 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 29 March 2026
⏱️ 10 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to American Prestige. |
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| 0:11.8 | What seems to be unique about this moment, at least vis-a-vis, let's say, the moment of American imperialism in the period after 1945, |
| 0:22.1 | or even in the period after 1917, |
| 0:24.9 | when the United States entered World War I under, I think, |
| 0:27.5 | a felt belief to make the world safer democracy |
| 0:29.7 | through capital P, progressive era management of ethno-nationalist affairs. |
| 0:34.4 | This war seems to be uniquely a ideological. |
| 0:42.3 | And you could always say that, and we're going to talk about consciousness later, so I want to bring this up. You could always say that the ideological justifications were bullshit and that you could take the hard materialist analysis. |
| 0:47.3 | I don't think that is true. I think that since the United States basically affirmed its globalism on the world stage in the 20th century, |
| 0:56.1 | there was a core ideological feature. And the notion being that the United States would move |
| 1:01.8 | capital H history and capital P progress in a specific direction. Now, that was different according |
| 1:06.9 | to different leaders. What Woodrow Wilson thought is different than what John Kennedy thought |
| 1:10.0 | is different from what George W. Bush thought. |
| 1:12.0 | But I think this was a genuinely felt idea that the United States had an apocal millenarian |
| 1:16.5 | mission that was key to global politics and international affairs. |
| 1:20.5 | And you could trace this back to John Winthrop's 1630 speech before he even landed in the |
| 1:26.6 | United States about the United States being a |
| 1:28.4 | city on a hill. What that city on a hill meant is different at different moments. Sometimes it's an |
| 1:33.0 | example. Sometimes you're bringing that fucking city to other people around the world, but there was this |
| 1:36.8 | notion of pushing the world forward. I think that is a key reason, by the way, just as a little |
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