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I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with

my friend and comrade, Derek Davison. And we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast for the

first time. Welcome to the first time, Charles A. Kupchan. Charles is a senior fellow at the

Council on Foreign Relations. I've actually been reading his work for years. I first became aware

of him when I, myself, interned at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2006. And he's also a professor

of international affairs at Georgetown University's Walsh School of Foreign Service. And we've invited

Charles to talk about his recent essay, The Deep Roots of Trump's Isolationism. Democrats need their

own America First agenda.

So, Charles, thank you so much for joining us.

Good to be with you.

So the first question that I have is what inspired you to write this essay?

I would say it broadly falls somewhere between the restraint and realist camps.

But what made you want to write this essay

and what problem do you see

with the Democrats' approach to foreign policy,

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