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Hey, just a quick warning here.

This episode contains very graphic descriptions that may not be suitable for all listeners.

In a story like Devil in the Desert, sometimes there are a bunch of details that don't

make it into the final version of the series, entire sidebars and plot twists that are so

interesting, but we just can't quite fit them into six episodes.

I'm Brad Milky, I'm host of ABC's Start Here podcast.

And as someone who was gasping with each twist and turn of devil in the desert,

I'm glad that we get to bring you one of these today in a special bonus episode.

Join me today is the host himself, Matt Gutman, ABC's chief national correspondent,

who first learned of the story of Jose Nairi more than 10 years ago. He's been following it ever since. Matt, great to have you here. Hey, Brad, good to be back. I think I've told you this before. I'm from Orange County in California where so much of this story takes place. So I grew up around Newport Beach. I grew up around Balboa Island. I made the drives out to the desert. So I was just

transfixed by how unsettling these locations became because of the depravity of this story.

Obviously, Nairi is the centerpiece of this series. His name is the one that's most often associated

with it, especially after you escape from jail. But there are still other characters in the

story that we haven't dwelled on as much. So what I'd like to do here today for the true obsessives among us

is ask you, who else needs to be talked about here? Okay. I mean, obviously, there's a main cast

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