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Hello and welcome to political thinking.

This is the second part of my exclusive interview with the former Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak,

a man who is reflecting on life in Downing Street, both when he lived in number 10 and when he was in number 11 as Chancellor of

the Exchequer serving alongside Boris Johnson during the COVID pandemic.

If you haven't listened to the first part of a conversation, you can find it on BBC Sounds.

But in this conversation, we begin by addressing the moment he moved into Downing Street,

not as Prime Minister, but as Chancellor of the Exchequer in Boris Johnson's government,

as the COVID pandemic was just looming on the horizon.

In a moment, we're going to discuss the choices that you made as Prime Minister,

the lessons you learned during your time in number 10.

But because we've called this political thinking lessons from Downing Street,

I want to talk about when you first moved into Downing Street as Chancellor,

rather than Prime Minister,

he moved into number 11 when Boris Johnson unexpectedly makes you Chancellor,

just as the biggest crisis to hit the economy in decades is unfolding.

The biggest crisis, arguably to hit the globe in decades, is unfolding.

The COVID pandemic, of course, back in February 2020.

Do you remember a moment as Chancellor when you thought, boy, this is huge?

When did that dawn on you?

Well, as you said, I became Chancellor in completely unexpected in quite dramatic circumstances.

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