Hey, everyone. Virgil here with TV's Matt Christman with us is activist, humanitarian, and

fellow bestselling author and candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

Mary Ann Williams and Mary Ann, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me.

So I've been reading a politics of love and there's a lot of just really kind of fascinating

ideas there that I don't see I've never really seen from a politician and something.

Man, I were talking about last night is that no other candidate in this race other than

Bernie Sanders, I think, has a well-defined philosophy, you know, an ideology that is in

contrast to the dominant ideology that they're running on.

Everyone else just says, you know, oh, I'm a problem solver and that kind of thing.

So I guess what I want to do is if you can in your own words, you know, explain the

thesis of a politics of love to the audience.

And then I think go from there and just have a spirit conversation about, you know, defining

what that is and defining your terms and about this idealism.

That's at the core of your political beliefs.

And then opening that up to a contrast with where me and Matt Moore stand, which is a firmly

materialist conception of politics and seeing how both of these interact and ultimately

in practice, how do you produce political change?

I understand and thank you.

The first thing I'd point out is that if you look at the two greatest movements of political

change in the 20th century, they were Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

Mahatma Gandhi articulated a politics of love.

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