And I would agree with you about one last thing I want to say, which is the idea of us having a real shot.

I mean, this campaign really does have a real shot.

And your point about it, a real shot for the kind of candidate Bernie is coming around so infrequently.

I mean, I don't want to say it's a once every 100 year phenomenon.

It's pretty rare.

I mean, it's really, if you really look back on history, it is really rare that it candidate with his politics,

who is building a grassroots movement that is independent from the power structure.

I mean, I don't know if there's a lot of examples of that in history that has a real shot to actually win a national election.

They're not particularly in America.

And I got to say, I just, I didn't really see Bernie coming.

It's not my sort of political socialist tradition.

I believe that a lot of people like Bernie won't bring socialism.

Well, no, he won't.

I firmly believe very traditional Marxist that only an invigorated trade union movement will bring socialism.

But Bernie could really help out getting the boots off of the union's neck.

And to me, that is going to be absolutely essential.

It's a big deal.

It's a presidential election that might actually make a difference.

Usually they don't.

It's huge.

It's huge.

It's huge.

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