Hello, Prestige Heads,

New Cold War, New Cold War, New Cold War, New Cold War.

Hello, Prestige Heads, and welcome to American Prestige.

I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend in Comrade, Derek Davidson, and we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast today, Jake Warner.

Jake is the director of the East Asia program at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and

a historian by trading. So I always enjoy having Jake on. Thanks for joining us again.

Yeah, great to be back. So Jake, you sent me a piece that's in draft, but I really want to talk

about it, which is basically tracing one of the largest transformations in the history of American thinking about the world

in the last 10 or so years, which is the transformation of China from a country that the

United States was trying to embed in the neoliberal capitalist world order, a country

through which that the United

States understood to be competing with and maybe didn't like everything that it did, particularly

cyber espionage.

I sound like a 90s movie person cyber.

I feel like that's such an old term, but people still use it in this particular sphere,

but into something that both parties have embraced as effectively

an existential enemy of the United States, akin to how American policymakers on both sides of the

aisle viewed the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War between roughly the late

1940s and the Cuban Missile Crisis or signing of the Test Ban Treaty,

whichever period you want to choose, whichever date do you want to choose in the early 1960s,

1962, 1963. So China viewed as really an ideological enemy. And this to me is really

interesting, and then I'll stop my soliloquy, because I recently published a piece on the new

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