Bonus - Star Wars, Empire, and the Politics of The Phantom Menace w/ Daniel Immerwahr (Preview)
American Prestige
Daniel Bessner & Derek Davison
4.8 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 12 April 2026
⏱️ 10 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to American Prestige. |
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| 0:11.3 | Called Apocalypse Now, and he's working on it for years, and it's, you know, it's going to be this, like, big anti-war, Vietnam War film, and you just can't get it made. |
| 0:20.5 | And so, but he's can't get it made. |
| 0:24.1 | And so, but he's, he's worked it out, like they've scattered locations. |
| 0:30.5 | So he gets to a point where he hands it off to his friend, Francis Ford Coppola, |
| 0:34.3 | who makes the movie that we now know, Lucas's version would have been different. |
| 0:40.5 | But the reason that he feels comfortable doing that is that he decides, he's like, you know what, |
| 0:46.8 | all of the ideas I have for Apocalypse now, my Vietnam War film, that can just go into Star Wars. |
| 0:53.6 | Like that can just change the outfits a little bit because essentially this is a movie about the Viet Cong fighting the imperialists and |
| 0:57.0 | okay make them Ewoks rather than Viet Cong but like basically it's the same plot |
| 1:01.3 | so what's kind of remarkable about that is you're like oh right like I kind of vaguely sense |
| 1:06.9 | that but this underdog versus you know big empire big empire plotline, for him, that's about |
| 1:13.5 | U.S. foreign relations. It's a feel-good movie about like the U.S. losing to Vietnam War. |
| 1:20.6 | So what are Lucas's politics? Because I think when you look back on him, |
| 1:27.9 | that's not something that comes necessarily to the fore. |
| 1:31.4 | I would say that's also true for a lot of the new Hollywood, |
| 1:33.8 | which is ironic because these are people who are trained in the 60s, |
| 1:37.5 | who are profoundly connected. |
| 1:40.0 | I mean, famously, what distinguishes them is that they're film school students. |
| 1:45.1 | They're really the first generation who goes through the post-war. |
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