All right, hello everybody. It's Will here, and I've got some bonus chopo for you. Today, I will be talking to an actor whose work I have admired for many, many years. But on today's episode, he is appearing in a different guys, not as, you know, the star of films such as Bitter Moon and Southern Comfort, covered by yours truly on movie mindset.

I'm talking to the actor Peter Coyote, but Peter, you're appearing here more in different guys as an activist and author to talk about a book you wrote called Smothered by Riches,

how America went from democracy rules to money rules.

So Peter, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much.

Can I say something about the word activist?

Yeah, please.

So I never use it.

Oh, okay.

Because it was invented by my enemies.

If you want to separate somebody from the broad mass of humanity,

you add an IST after their name.

You make them a communist, a socialist, an artist, an activist, an environmentalist. And the implication is

that most of us don't care about what we believe. And there's a few radical individuals who

are extreme and outside the pale, and we put an

IST after their name.

I turn it around, and I say if you're not engaged with your life, you're a hypocrite.

And so I just don't like to be called an activist because most people are engaged with their

lives. Well, that is a very good

point. And I will see if I can make it through the rest of this interview without revealing

my unconscious programming by the forces of neoliberal capitalism here, Peter. That's why I'm here,

Will. I will endeavor to do my best. But Peter, when I was thinking about how to open the interview,

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