Hey everybody, welcome to this bonus episode of Imaginary Worlds.

The guest from my last episode had so many interesting things to say that I couldn't fit into the broader theme of villains in 1984. And Shannon Shea had some great stories about working

on Terminator 2. As we heard the episode back in 1984, Shannon was trying to break into the industry. He went to see the Terminator in the theaters because he was a fan of Stan Winston, who did special effects for the movie. Years later, Shannon found himself working on Terminator 2.

He was excited to work with his hero, Stan Winston, but he also realized how much James Cameron

have been involved in the design process.

In fact, he actually saw James Cameron's original drawings

for the Terminator.

I asked him to describe what they look like.

They were color pencils.

They were color pencil, and he, like yours truly, I mean, I love drawing on black paper with white pencils, especially when he tried to do some moody and scary. But, he had like a graphite on white drawing of like the Schwarzenegger Terminator with part of his skin missing at his eye there.

So and they were his drawings,

they were his designs, you know.

And so it's the same thing with,

with sections of the robot, you know,

like the legs and things.

And he did that himself, and he also did that on aliens.

I mean, I don't know if I'm you know

letting the cat out of the bag here but you know Stan had done some drawings of

the Queen alien but Jim just kind of went this is what I want and did his drawing and it was spectacular.

It's like, wow, it's really cool, you know.

He's really an amazing artist, an amazing illustrator.

So when you worked on T2, like what kind of conversations did you have with him

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