Hell yes, we're going to take your AR 15, your AK-47.

I don't think you are. Hey, it's Tom Gresham.

It's a bonus podcast of Gun Talk.

We're out at Gunsight, actually, in the middle of a media event.

I'm having a bunch of fun.

I'm sitting here with my friend Chris Serino,

of course, of Serino training.

You know him you've seen on our first person defender,

a lot of the stuff we've done.

Chris, we're having fun out here,

actually shooting a gun we can't talk about yet.

So we're not going to talk about that, okay?

That's right.

You don't have to.

There you go. But I've been, well, all day yesterday, I was shooting with you and kind of watching you shoot and we were talking a little bit about

practice and you had some interesting comments about the need to practice with a purpose and as opposed to what was the thing you said people

just post online said yeah I went out and I sent some rounds down range right some

lead down range put some lead down range okay so what's? Well, unfortunately, what we get in that as a trainer, I get a lot of people that come to classes and they say they're shooters. You know, well, I'm a shooter, my wife's a shooter, or, you know, my son's a shooter shooter but really what they do is they go out and they discharge

firearms in a safe direction and they're really not shooters granted they're shooting

guns but they're just putting lead down range, maybe, you know, standing in a

booth at a range.

It's so not training, and it's more of a hobbyist or an enthusiast.

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