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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

BONUS: "Indigenous Land Acknowledgement Furore" with Tyson Yunkaporta

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Comedy Interviews, Education, Society & Culture, Comedy, Self-improvement

4.5905 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Have indigenous Welcomes-to-Country gone too far?

On Friday, far-right hecklers disrupted the Welcome to Country (i.e. the land acknowledgment, in North American parlance) of a profound Australian national event, the Anzac Day Dawn Service.

The protest has sparked a national firestorm about race, racism and remembrance.

Josh shares his thoughts about the coverage of the controversy, and then debates its deeper implications with the Indigenous scholar Tyson Yunkaporta.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Gide, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Well, well, well, land acknowledgements,

0:09.2

or as we call them here in Australia, the welcome to country, or an acknowledgement of country,

0:14.2

if it's being performed by someone who is not themselves indigenous. These have been roiling Australian

0:19.7

culture and media for the past week.

0:22.0

Because last Friday was Anzac Day, which is one of the, I suppose, holiest days on the Australian calendar.

0:28.6

It's a public holiday.

0:29.9

And it's a sort of a combination between Remembrance Day and a National Day.

0:35.3

Technically, it commemorates the Gallipoli campaign in World War I, where Australian soldiers

0:40.8

for the first time were sent in vast numbers to support Britain's effort.

0:46.9

It was in Turkey, long story short, we got the shit kicked out of us, and it was the first

0:51.8

time that Australia really forged a national consciousness,

0:54.5

a common national imperative after having become a country in only 1901, just a decade or so

1:01.8

beforehand. And this has subsequently become a way of not just honouring all Australian

1:07.2

servicemen and women, but really honouring the country itself, because our national

1:12.0

day, our official sort of Fourth of July equivalent, happens to fall on the date when Europeans,

1:19.1

the British Empire, first landed on the soil of Australia and declared it to be terra nullius

1:24.9

and uninhabited land, despite the fact that there were hundreds of civilizations here

1:29.4

who'd been living here for tens of thousands of years.

1:31.6

So it's a little bit impolite, a little bit impolitic,

1:35.4

to celebrate on January 26th,

1:37.5

which is the anniversary of that inauspicious day.

1:40.7

So Anzac Day has kind of become a de facto national day. And it starts every year with a dawn

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