Creative battle.

Hey guys, it's me, Javier.

John and I are working on a new season of Criminal Conduct and we have several story ideas

in the work and we're doing the reporting now.

So as soon as something comes up, trust me, you'll be the first to know.

But in the meantime, I want to share with you some audio of John and I's recent trip to

Dallas, Texas, where we attended the True Crime Podcast Festival.

And they asked us to give a presentation on the business of cults.

But for some reason, I decided to yell out an obscenity.

I don't know why I did it.

It just came out of my mouth.

But anyways, I apologize, but without further ado, here is John Taylor and I on stage

at the True Crime Podcast Festival talking about cults.

My name is Javier Leyva with the Pretend Podcast and Rebecca Sebastian was supposed to be

here.

She's with the dialogue podcast and criminality and the yellow tape trivia.

If you come to these festivals before, you probably know who Rebecca is and she couldn't

be here today.

So we did the series on my show Pretend called The Business of Cults and we're going to present

today.

But instead, I brought my co-hosts from my other podcast, Criminal Conduct.

Yeah.

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