Hi, it's Anne. You've probably read about the Atlantic's editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg,

who was accidentally added to a government group chat in Signal. I had the opportunity to interview

Jeff at the New Orleans Book Festival, The Week the Story Broke. We wound up talking about

autocracy, democracy, freedom, resistance, as well as the

absurd situation of the signal chat. And so we thought fans of the Autocracy in America podcast might

appreciate hearing our conversation too. So here you go. Thanks for listening.

Well, that's embarrassing.

So this is the second standing ovation I've witnessed this week for Jeffrey Goldberg.

So one more time.

So thank you all so much for coming. It's a real pleasure to be in this enormous packed room full of people who read books.

So thank you so much for coming and contributing to the festival and listening to us talk

about things that happen in real life,

as opposed to things that happen in culture wars far away.

I'm in the unusual position of interviewing my editor,

so you'll forgive me if I make mistakes.

It's a first time.

There's been some news over the last week,

and I thought we might focus on that.

I wanted to start with my own experience.

So I was at the Atlantic offices on Tuesday.

So if you remember, I won't recount to the content of Jeff's story that was printed on Monday,

because I think if you're here, you probably know what it was in it.

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