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A breaking while I was recording today's show we learned that there are two dead

including a suspect in a shooting at a Dallas ice facility three people shot our ice

detainees according to an ice spokesperson no ice officers have been hurt now the, the shooter took his own life.

Self-inflicted gunshot wound is the cause of death.

The round, here we go again.

You know, remember when the bullets were trans, Pat.

The reporting right now from NBC is that the round found near the shooter had an anti-ice message. They

didn't like ice. And of course, it's like here we go again. We know how the trans bullets

with the Charlie Kirk killing turned out not to be accurate.

But the reporting right now is that this was an anti-ice protester, which makes this, it's not

that it's more tragic, but it makes it more futile in trying to, whatever, achieve change

through violence, which is that there were detainees

that were hurt.

And if indeed not like either way, this is despicably wrong, Pat, but it sort of reminds me of,

you remember that that guy Glenn Miller I interviewed on the show a long, long time ago, who ended

up trying to kill Jews in Kansas and he happened to kill Christians

of which he was one.

And so like it doesn't make it any more or less tragic, but it does maybe just understate

the futility of trying to achieve change in this way? I don't know. It just kind of

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