We're in an era where we hear a lot about facts, what's true, who to believe, what is real journalism.

And we turn now to an actual icon of traditional factual journalism.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Bob Woodward is the author of over 20 best-selling books,

spanning 10 presidencies, and he usually gets to his sources, talking to presidents

the people around them, including President Trump countless times. Of course, his reporting

with Carl Bernstein helped uncover the Watergate scandal that ultimately led President Nixon

to resign. His most recent book, War, follows a literal and political wars facing the U.S.

over the last four years. It's out now, and he is, of course, at work on another book, which we'll hear about, joining us now,

Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter, Washington Post journalist, author Bob Woodward. Thanks for being here.

Thank you. Great to have you. We have so much to get to. I want to start with investigative reporting and new evidence. We have this

rather salacious birthday book from Jeffrey Epstein. This is something that President Trump denied

submitting a card to, but now from the Epstein estate, which is quite a source, it has been

released under subpoena to the

Congress and now to the public.

What is the import, in your view, of getting the hard evidence like this?

What does it tell us?

There's nothing better than a firsthand source or a document or contemporaneous notes,

something that has an automatic validity with readers and viewers.

And so this is compelling and is a mess for Trump.

And what I know about it is not a whole lot, but it sure looks like a lot of young women were abused in a way that is so appalling, so awful, so leveraging the seniority and the masculine identity which Epstein was a

practitioner of I guess I mean he's now dead for six years so we can he can't be

interviewed but this, my heart, quite frankly, goes out to the women

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