And hello to you and welcome to the Richard Nichols podcast, the Personal Development

Podcast series that's here to help inspire, educate and motivate you to be the best you can be.

I'm psychotherapist Richard Nichols, and today's is a bonus episode.

It's an interview with Michelle Thomas.

And if you're ready, we'll start the show.

Me again.

Middle of the month bonus episode time, folks.

And this month, it is a lovely chat with an equally lovely Michelle Thomas. Michelle is an author and podcaster, has written for The Guardian, The Independent,

stylist, standard issue, the list goes on. And on top of that, she also wrote a book about her

experience of depression, as well as interviewing other people for it as well.

In this episode, we talk about all sorts.

Why it seems that some therapists don't seem to know what they're doing,

and continuing to see them as a client might do more harm than good.

Why journaling does more good than harm and why it's okay to hallucinate.

No trigger warnings needed, although I

have needed to mark the episode as explicit for the first time in 10 years, or longer than 10

years, because there is some very brief effing and jeffin, but to be honest, that was always going

to be inescapable, and I knew that when I invited her on. You'll hear why within

the first two minutes of it starting. So I shall press play and we can chat again later at the end.

See you later. Hello Michelle. How are you today? Hello Richard. I'm very well. Thank you. How are you?

I'm super. It's a damp January morning here in the Midlands. You're in...

Where are you, Bristol? I'm in Bristol, yeah. So I'm in my... I'm really lucky. I've got like a little spare room in my flat and I call it my office. And I've got the curtains closed because that's kind of to make the sound better on a podcast. You're supposed to

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