Hi, Judge John Hodgman listeners. It's Baylor of Jesse Thorn. This is a special bonus episode of the program.

You probably know that I host an NPR show called Bullseye. It's an arts and culture interview show.

And I was lucky enough to have our beloved Judge Hodgman on the program as a guest.

We were talking about his brand new book Vacation Land. And I thought I had such a good time talking to John.

It was such a lovely and insightful interview on his part that I would share it with Judge John Hodgman listeners.

So here is an almost completely unexperigated version much longer than what will run on the radio of my conversation with my pal, John Hodgman.

John Hodgman, welcome to Bullseye. It's great to have you on the show.

Thank you. It's great to finally meet you, Jesse.

We met, we met on this show by telephone.

I ladies and gentlemen, my name is John Hodgman and I'm sitting across from my friend Jesse Thorn,

whom I was told in the year 2005 was a young woman living in Santa Cruz who would be calling me for a local radio show.

I will not, I will not fault my publicist, my book publicist at the time.

I was on tour for my first book in 2005 and I will not fault my book publicist for making an error of that kind.

He had a lot on his plate.

And but I certainly when I when you reach me on the phone in Western Massachusetts,

I was like, this woman has an amazing voice.

And even once, even once it became clear to me that you were a man, Jesse and not a woman Jesse,

I still found your voice to be uncanny in a way because you were a very young person then.

You are, you're younger than I am and I am an old person.

Yeah, maybe then I was 25 or something.

Yeah, right. You were a young person and yet you had this incredibly beautiful, polished and professional radio demeanor that I enjoyed very much.

And you also expressed interest in my work with intelligence and obvious homework doing.

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