Calling all holiday lovers, welcome to Passports Please, the podcast that hacks your holidays.

I'm Chelsea, also known as the cheap holiday expert online.

And I'm James, the one that just loves a holiday.

Fancy, finding out how to blag your way through a city break without a plan?

Covered.

Wondering what you should do if you ever forget your passport?

Speaking from experience, James.

No comment.

So grab your headphones and

your carry on and let's make your next trip unforgettable for the right reasons. Passports, please,

is available to listen wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome. Thanks to joining us today.

My name's Adam, as you know, and today I'm joined by my special guest,

Grace, the host of the Red Rum podcast. Hey, Grace. Hey, Adam. Thanks for having me. Now, it's a real pleasure.

I mean, we last spoke maybe, it's probably about a year and a half, two years ago. Yeah, it was a while

ago, wasn't it? I didn't realize it was that long, but probably won't. We did a show together. So I suppose really, I want to ask you some of the real basic questions, first of all.

So tell me, Grace, what made you start a true crime podcast?

So it was back in 2020, in lockdown, COVID lockdown, as we all remember.

And I'd lost all of my other work. And I kind of was at a loose end. I really love being creative in many different ways. And I was like out in the

garden doing gardening and I'm not very good at that. So I had to stop doing that. And then I was

inside. I did some painting. I was like, oh, I just don't know

what to do with my time. And then a friend of mine, he and I were speaking about podcasts and

true crime podcasts, and I already listened to them and really enjoyed them. And he said,

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