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PR. Hello, we've got a little bit of a bonus podcast going on. I haven't done a bonus podcast

for a while, but sometimes I'll be having a

conversation with a friend and I'll think, we need to talk about this on a podcast. And so I stopped

the conversation and go, let's do this on a podcast, which is what we're doing today. So I've got

Abigail Horn with me here. Now, you know, I've already. She's been on the podcast before. She's one of

my business partners in authors and co.

And, you know, she's she's well known in this industry now as being somebody that helps female entrepreneurs get themselves known.

So the reason I wanted to bring Abby on is because we were talking about how, and actually Abby has admitted this herself on her own

pages and her own posts, that when people first meet me or hear about me, generally they don't

have a good reaction at first. Abby's not the only person to have said this, by the way. There's many

people that have. So Abby, talk me through when you first saw me talking about the raised

recurring revenue and passive income, what you saw. I heard about you from my clients. So this is a

little bit twofold because I hadn't sort of seen you myself. I was hearing about you from my clients. So I think one of the immediate things that comes up is on I do an in office. This is something wrong with me. What I, what aren't I delivering that you think you need to go and get elsewhere? So there's this little bit of self-sabotage of why do you need to work

with somebody else. I don't do that now, but I did at the time, like I was really protective.

And the second thing was that they were just raving about it for helping people make this

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