Bonus Edition: Robert Mueller vs. the Committees with No Bull—Just the Democrats

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🗓️ 25 July 2019

⏱️ 84 minutes

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On Wednesday, former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testified before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. There was plenty of repetition and plenty of pontification. So we cut all that out to just bring you the testimony that you need to hear. Not only that, but—in both committees—the Democratic and Republican members advanced very different narratives about the Mueller report and investigation. Listening to the questions alternate between the two sides almost gave the audience a sense of whiplash. So we’ve done something a little different for this “No Bull” Podcast, we’ve combined all of the Democratic no-bull questions into one segment and the Republican no-bull questions into another.

So here are the Democratic members of the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees questioning Robert Mueller.

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2:03.6	I will begin by recognizing myself for five minutes.
2:16.6	Director Mueller, the President has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him.
2:25.6	But that is not what your report said.
2:31.6	And now reading from page two of volume two of your report that's on the screen, you wrote, quote,
2:37.6	if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
2:47.6	Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment, close quote.
2:54.6	Now does that say there was no obstruction?
2:57.6	No. In fact, you were actually unable to conclude the President did not commit obstruction of justice, is that correct?
3:05.6	Well, we at the outset determined that when it came to the President's culpability, we needed to go forward only after taking to account the OLC opinion that indicated that a President sitting President.
3:26.6	That sitting President cannot be indicted.
3:30.6	So the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct?
3:36.6	That is correct.
3:38.6	And what about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the President?
3:42.6	No.
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