Bonus: Dean Spade, Morgan Bassichis, and Tourmaline
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 25 August 2025
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
This week, we're sharing an episode of Love in a F*cked Up World, a new podcast hosted by our friend Dean Spade. In this episode, Dean chats with Tourmaline and Morgan Bassichis (our guest from last week's episode) about the many lessons they've learned from each other over the course of multiple decades of friendship, collaboration, and trans abolitionist organizing.
Find transcripts and more info at deanspade.net/podcast.
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Sex Change and the City is available for preorder now btw!
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everyone. Hope you've all been hanging in there. This week, I have the pleasure of sharing an episode from another podcast that I think you'll love. The podcast is Love in a Fucked Up World, which is inspired by the book of the same name. The book and the podcast are both created by Dean Spade, who you probably know from literally writing the book on mutual aid, as well as his decades of organizing work and his two |
| 0:21.4 | gender reveal interviews. You can hear Dean and I talk about Love and a Fucked Up World, |
| 0:25.5 | the book, in our episode from last December, but maybe you're more of a podcast person than a |
| 0:29.9 | book person. That would make sense. You are literally listening to a podcast right now. |
| 0:33.7 | If that is the case, I am so happy to recommend the Love and A Fuckive World podcast, which explores the concepts from Dean's book and features Dean's conversations with other genius organizers like Miriam Caba and Adrian Marie Brown. |
| 0:46.2 | Today on the show, we are sharing Dean's conversation with Morgan Bassacus, who you might remember from last week's gender reveal episode. |
| 0:53.0 | And joining them in conversation is the filmmaker Tourmaline, who is also the world's leading scholar on Marsha P. Johnson. That's not directly relevant to this episode, but it is relevant to the After Lives podcast we shared a couple weeks ago. See what I'm doing? It all ties together. Anyway, Dean, Tourmaline, and Morgan are all geniuses who have been friends for decades, and it is a real |
| 1:11.6 | honor and a treat to get to listen in on their conversation in this podcast episode. |
| 1:16.1 | Before we get to that, I just got to say, and I'm so sorry, have you heard that sex change |
| 1:20.8 | in the city is available for pre-order now? |
| 1:23.6 | Sex Change in the City is, of course, the Second Girl Dad Anthology. |
| 1:27.1 | It is a collection of |
| 1:29.1 | short stories, critical essays, comics, illustrations, a game, a quiz, Madlibs, something called |
| 1:38.0 | Mr. Biggs's Valaplasty Emporium. Basically, 46 trans and queer people from around the world |
| 1:43.0 | made stuff about Sex in the city we made |
| 1:45.2 | it into a beautiful book and it can be yours the book comes out on november 6th but you can pre-order now |
| 1:51.4 | directly from girl dad press and i just got to tell you i have to pay the printer and they gave me an |
| 1:57.1 | extension but i have to give the printer so much money so if you're going to buy this book it would be really helpful if you pre-ordering it now. And if you join us on Patreon, patreon.com slash gender and check the newsletter. There is a 10% off code so you can even save a couple bucks. And it still really helps us out. No push, but there'll be a link in the show notes. you can just go to this is trans. info. |
| 2:18.0 | Remember that link? |
| 2:19.2 | This is trans. info. |
| 2:21.8 | Okay. |
| 2:22.5 | That's enough of that. |
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