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podcast from NPR and WBUR. It's Bolzai. I'm Jesse Thorne. Hey, everybody. We're in the middle of

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of maximum fun. We are just highlighting a couple of cool moments from this past year on Bullseye

here in the Bullseye Feed. I think probably the most fun I had

was talking to Barry Sondonfeld, who it turned out, by the way, big bullseye fan. Thank you,

Barry Sondonfeld. He showed up in just full Barry Sondonfeld attire. He came in early so he could

work on his lighting and camera, which once a DP, always a DP.

And then he just casually dropped the most unbelievable Werner Herzog story you've ever heard in your life.

And I was just happy to be alive and present for it.

Did you think when you were in film school that you were going to be a director or was

cinematographer what you aspired to?

I was pretty sure when I was in film school, I was going to be perhaps the best FedEx driver that ever there was.

I just had a sense I'd be really, really good at it.

Like I'd know everyone's names and because, but no, I went to NYU graduate film school,

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