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This Wreckage

BONUS: Book of Revelations Part 1

This Wreckage

Sean KB and AP Andy

Arts, Music

4.2980 Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

We're joined by Henry Wallis of the FORMS podcast to guide us through one of the most obscure and challenging, yet arguably most consequential Biblical texts: the Book of Revelations.

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Written by a Christian exile on an Aegean Island in a time of intense imperial Civil War and internal repression of Jews and Christians, the text is interpreted by scholars as a coded polemic against tyranny and assimilation, and by end-times preachers (and US officials) as a description of contemporary events. Now, Henry, the Orthodox scholar, Sean, the occasional Church-goer, and Andy, the non-practicing Reddit Athiest, will take on the text with fresh eyes.

We read from the King James Bible and David Bentley Hart's translation of the New Testament

Song: Blind Willie Johnson - John the Revelator

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, who's that riding?

0:04.0

John of who we're going to call John of Pat and also John, this apostle, was so stupid when he was called by Christ that he was almost a beast.

0:16.0

He was the lowest possible intelligence or erudition of a human being that almost one could imagine.

0:22.4

He had nearly an animal form of life because he was of the poorest, of the poor, like basically lumpen, you know, of this category of people like, I don't have the quote from Chris Osama in front of me, but there's like, there's the people that make the nets at the Sea of Galilee and then the people that actually handle the fish and the

0:41.1

boats themselves are even lower than the people who make the nets because they have to pay

0:46.1

the people that make the nets to go out and try to get fish or whatever.

0:48.8

The skilled tradesman and the proletarian, yeah. Yeah, so there was this thing of just like, you know,

0:54.9

John was chosen to deliver some of the most intellectually stimulating

1:00.4

and difficult text in the New Testament, his gospel,

1:02.8

which is highly philosophical and theological,

1:05.6

and this apocalypse, which is crazy as we're going to,

1:08.3

I mean, it's just like a wild text.

1:10.7

And according to Chris Ostum, this was done because one of the point of Christ is to shame

1:16.3

the mighty, to like to bring up literally the lowest possible person, the most like uneducated

1:23.1

possible person and make, this is actually the philosopher.

1:26.2

This is actually that we're going to shame all of the like teachers and we're going to shame all of the rulers through elevating

1:32.2

the most lowly and if you read and now i guess i'm going to do my quick tunnel about the text

1:36.1

and its context if you read through the hebrew bible and the new testament this is a consistent

1:40.9

theme in Torah for example in the in the books of moses there's a recurring theme. In Torah, for example, in the books of Moses,

1:45.3

there's a recurring theme of the second son being preferred

1:48.7

instead of the first son,

1:50.0

which is counter how it usually goes in these kind of societies.

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