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Bonus | Beyond Bromance: Searching For Deeper Male Friendship from Embodied

Sickboy

CBC

Society & Culture

4.8524 Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

American men are in a friendship recession. Compared to a few decades ago, five times as many men have no close friends. So what’s going on? In this episode of Embodied, host Anita Rao talks with Mark Pagán, creator and host of the podcast “Other Men Need Help,” about what makes close friendships among men so fraught — and what we can do about it. They talk about everything from why Mark loves secret handshakes to his ongoing journey of making himself say the hard stuff out loud.

Meet the guest: Mark Pagán is the creator and host of the podcast "Other Men Need Help" and writes the substack "Other Men" Read the transcript. More episodes of Embodied are available here: https://www.wunc.org/show/embodied

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0:00.0

It's becoming pretty clear that U.S. President Donald Trump is ripping up the political

0:05.3

playbook.

0:05.8

And when it comes to what it all means for Canada, well, as they say, it's complicated.

0:09.8

But our podcast, two blocks from the White House, is a way to make sense of it all.

0:13.8

Join me, Willie Lowry, and senior Washington correspondents, Paul Hunter and Katie Simpson

0:18.6

every week as we break down the headlines from Capitol Hill

0:22.1

with a Canadian spin. Find and follow two blocks from the White House on your favorite podcast

0:27.3

app, including YouTube. This is a CBC podcast.

0:43.8

At the center of every sick boy episode is the friendship between Jeremy, Brian, and Taylor.

0:51.7

Embodied from WUNC is another podcast that takes you into a deep exploration of male friendship and masculinity.

0:56.1

Each week, host Anita Rao digs into stories about sex, relationships, and health that touch down in taboo territory, like a discussion about the

1:01.6

challenges of diagnosing and treating eating disorders in black women's bodies, or a conversation

1:07.5

with a mother and son about the experience of getting the same diagnosis

1:11.4

at very different stages of life. No matter the topic, you'll meet folks who aren't afraid

1:16.9

to question what we think we know about intimacy, who are embracing the unique ways their

1:21.7

body shape their lived experience, and who have some fascinating stories to share about their

1:27.3

relationships.

1:28.5

In this episode, Anita talks to Mark Pagan, creator and host of the podcast Other Men

1:34.1

Need Help, about what makes close relationships among men so fraught, and what we can do about

1:40.0

it. Have a listen.

1:50.1

This is embodied from PRX in WUNC. I'm Anita Rao. American men are in a friendship recession. Compared to a few decades ago, five times as many men have no close friends.

1:57.0

So what's going on? We don't put the importance on friendships in this country for adults, but specifically for men.

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