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So, Becca, I was curious, what's the Silicon Valley ideology?

This is obviously something that's been written about from a lot of different perspectives. I don't think as you gestured toward earlier, it's not easily identifiable as

libertarian or anything like that. But is there an ideology of the valley? I mean,

you could probably write books about how it's changed over time, but how would you

characterize it today?

Yeah, this is like getting into the meat of my book project, actually, so I could talk about

this for hours.

But for years and years and years, the prevailing idea is that the main ideology in Silicon Valley is this thing called the Californian ideology.

And this was, the California ideology was an idea that was, you know, dubbed in a newsletter

article by two British Marxist scholars, Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron.

And they called it a mix of left-wing counterculturalism with right-wing libertarianism.

And so for years and years, people said that's what the Silicon Valley ideology is.

Is this blend of like countercultural

aesthetics with libertarian economics. And a lot of what I've been working on is trying to

challenge the idea that that was always the prevailing set of ideas. I mean, you have a long

standing right-wing presence in Silicon Valley from the beginning

and people who explicitly believed that new technologies were a way of kind of restoring an older

social order, whether it be kind of maintaining, you know, patriarchal power within the family and the workforce,

whether it be kind of maintaining older racial power dynamics, whether it be about kind of, you

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