Welcome to the history tricks where any resemblance to a boring old history lesson is purely coincidental.

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I am loud and then when we're in person and doing live shows Beckett has like this little hand signal she does to me.

When I start getting excited and loud, yeah, it's really cute.

I don't know if anybody else can see it but I always see it no matter where she is in my site.

It's good to be so valuable. That's a good partnership. It sounds very functional.

It's our significant other ship. There you go.

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Hello everybody and welcome to this little bonus episode.

So today we have our new podcast girlfriend, Liza Powell O'Brien because she has a new podcast called significant others.

And both Beckett and I really liked it and we thought let's have a conversation with her.

And you should know that we we don't really do interviews per se we just very, very chat very rarely talk to quote our friend.

And so Liza, would you mind telling everyone what your podcast is about?

I'm very bad at summarizing it but essentially the idea was to take a look at the people who were very closely adjacent to and maybe

influential in the life of a person who we all are already familiar with, especially if that person is, you know, an artist or a politician or someone who had a real consequence on our cultural society, something like that.

So one of the most sort of clear examples for me is always varina bokoff because pretty much everyone knows about the novel Lolita, even if you haven't read it, but you know it's kind of a big deal in our cultural history.

And Vladimir Nabokov when he wrote it was struggling a lot over the years that he was writing it and he tried to burn it a couple of times and his wife is the one who rescued it and said no, no, this has to this has to go out into the world.

So that that's one example of someone without whom things as we know them might be different.

And sometimes it might not be a literal fire. Do you agree? Like they'll put out a fire like a crisis of faith in themselves or like things in the background.

So the significant others might well be putting out metaphorical fires.

Absolutely, I think that applies to Mary Lincoln actually because which was a bit of a revelation for me. I know you have spoken about her too, but she we all know the ways in which she was destructive for her husband and for the country.

And she had a difficult character, but she had such complete faith in him that when he had a little bit of a lull in his political career and was sort of between jobs basically and was he says I got entirely too comfortable just being at home.

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