Welcome Think Bivocally podcast listeners. We've got a bonus episode for you today.

I recently had a conversation with a very interesting young man. His name is Coleman

Hughes. He's an atheist. African American thinker has one of my favorite

podcasts called Conversations with Coleman. He covers a range of cultural issues kind of like we do on our podcast, but of course

rather than thinking bibically he looks at it from his atheist worldview.

Well I reached out to him and I said hey would you be willing to have a

conversation with me just about some of the

cultural issues surrounding race and also just surrounding who you are and

your faith and he agreed so not long ago we had this conversation and it was not a debate.

There's probably a few moments if you listen to this you think,

Ah, Sean, you could have pushed back stronger.

And that's true, I pushed back a few times, but really just wanted a lead when my first meeting him with just

generosity kindness give a platform he said he really enjoyed it and then maybe in

the future I can have him back and we can have an even more kind of give and take pushback kind of conversation

maybe that's coming to the future but with that said I think you're really gonna enjoy his perspective

on this

on this bonus episode and if you do as always we hope you'll consider sharing the friend so here's a conversation with Coleman Hughes

Coleman really honored that you'd come on and join me for conversation today

It's great to be here and it's awesome to see another person that's trying to do what I'm doing which is have conversations with people that disagree with you and you know just seeing seeing where you are as adults in a in the spirit of goodwill and all that there's far too little of that in the culture right now.

Well let's start there.

I'm really curious, two things.

Number one, where does your value

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