I think the misunderstanding is this they see guys our size and they're like well you guys are lean all the time I see your abs all year round so you're not getting fat so what are you talking about?

But there was a period of five years where I did get fat like you have to build this amount of

muscle somehow and then when you start building this amount of muscle when you get

to to 20 lean to 30 lean to 40 lean to 50 lean then it's harder to get fat yeah but there was a lot of years between the ages 20 and I'd say 27 or 28 when I was coming up where I was gaining like I looked like a

fucking slob my wife just told me yesterday she goes you know when I met you you look like a

fat pig I go I go why I still had some abs in my you know I could still see my abs she was no I couldn't she

The first off-season me and you were together. There was no abs

And you're my very first prep my the start of my off-season. I was a pound heavier than I am today.

Oh yeah there you go yeah.

You know and I James do you remember back at Christmas we were in the

posing room in Muscle Works me you and Luke.

We almost had that conversation, right?

Yeah.

We spoke about like, fuck it, you've got to get fat.

Like you do, one time you've got to get fat and change your body

force your body to be a different yeah it's funny that's not go ahead you sorry

not so the leverages in the gym to allow you to move more load to then stimulate more muscle.

Yeah.

It's funny.

You know what I mean for being heavy lets you lift more?

Yeah, Patrick said to me yesterday. I had Patrick on the podcast yesterday, and I like the

terminology he used. He goes, you almost got to force the body violently to change. And he meant by like pushing food because you have to push the food to a certain limit to get the body to go somewhere.

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