Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my rebranded podcast, cults, culture, and coercion.

And I'm here today with Alisa Daniels, who's kindly consented to do an interview with me about her experiences in a Korean cult called Don.

It goes by many different names.

The latest, I believe, is body and brain.

But the key thing, if you're in the world of being interested in meditation and yoga and healing, et cetera, is the leader is Il-Chi-Lee.

He's a Korean.

This is a cult that I've worked with many people over the decades.

And they have similarities to my former Korean cult,

the Moonies, because somebody from the Moonies, I think,

is involved at a high level in dawn.

It's a cult that's very much venerates Il-Chi Lee as the master,

as the great healer. My understanding is he has diabetes and high

blood pressure and like many cult leaders is just a serial liar about all kinds of things.

But this cult is still recruiting, still draining people of money. And it's come to my attention,

even though I've done so much work with this cult, that we've never done a podcast on them.

So, Elisa, kindly consented to share, and let me just read a bit about you, Lisa,

before we jump in, that you were born on the

south shore of Massachusetts lived there your whole life you're a mom of three a grandmother of

eight happily married for 42 years to a dedicated husband and father worked in the physical

fitness field for almost 40 years, is now retired.

You taught swimming, personal training, scuba.

I love scuba diving, you know that, and management of gyms, and all secondary, you say, to motherhood.

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