I pitched the idea, I never quite recovered,

and afterwards they said to me,

we just don't feel you have the presence to carry a show.

And it was the first time where I realized,

wow, it's not just about my ideas.

One of the mistakes that leaders use,

when they sense nervousness, is they begin to question.

We don't like leaders who question.

We want our leaders to tell us.

We want our leaders to be confident what they say.

Vanessa, hey, welcome back to the Craig Rochelle Leadership Podcast. Thank you so much for having me back.

So I'm happy to be here. For those that are watching, I'm actually waving with an open palm,

but you're doing two hands because I learned from you the last time you're on.

Last time we had you, Vanessa, it was one of my favorite episodes. And also, your episode is one of the all-time most listened to episode on the podcast. We had well over a million views last time I checked.

And so our audience loves you and I'm super thrilled

to have you back. Oh my goodness. Well, I have met the most incredible people too. We've had folks

like, I heard you on Craig's podcast and it was just amazing. I felt like I made friends over the

internet. So you did. You did. I mean, you are so warm and easy to like. And I want to ask you more about that so you can

like help me be warmer and easier to like. You are so easy to like. Yeah, but your work is fascinating.

And I want to dive into some new stuff that you're learning and maybe and ask you some questions

that you don't normally get asked, which is kind of a goal. But I want to start with a little bit of

your background just to kind of help those that may not know you yet, love you and learn from

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