most of the people that I have have the ability to do it, even if I prompt it, and then what happens

it defuses, it allows for the dissipation of the energy because what usually happens when you

get overwhelmed is that you can't find a way to relax again. So you get overwhelmed, it's too much,

it's a big threat, and then you check out. And I know or have an idea of how the body works

to perpetuate that checking out, you know, and some of its repression, which is connected to

voluntary muscle work, and some of its dissociation, which is connected to very early, like I don't

want to be here, I'm gone. And so each one of the person who comes out of repression, like tightening

down, if they can loosen up a little bit, the actual experience of the event lessons, it's not

as traumatizing. I didn't like it, I'm not going to forget it, but it's not as devastating.

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So if you follow this podcast, it won't be a surprise to you to know how much we love to dig into

the science and learn new things, our audience loves that too, we just kind of eat that stuff up.

But sometimes that can, you know, unintentionally land us a little bit left oriented, left brain,

a little bit into our heads. If we're taking what we're learning seriously, a lot of this stuff

brings us right back to our bodies, to our sinews, to our muscles, to this corpus that we live in.

So we were very interested in bringing, you know, balancing that out, continuing to balance that out

in our conversations, but also with our guests. This particular guest, Dr. Robert Kaufman,

was actually recommended to us by a patron. We periodically meet live on Zoom with our community,

our online community, and we asked, you know, who do you think is, you know, kind of the best somebody

that can really teach body-oriented work and bioenergetics, and this patron brought his name up,

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