This is the really frustrating part about healing is like in order to have more control not in a bad way but like more autonomy.

You are required to let go of the concept of control altogether.

And I just think that's a dirty trick from the universe.

But that's what's required.

And so when I was able to be like, am not okay this is not okay we are not okay I was able to kind of just breathe for the first time and

exhale I think that was what I was missing.

You are listening to Made of Human,

also known as the Mo-Pad,

a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen,

who is a Danish comedian.

Mowo! Trying to find out how to do life.

But it turns out nobody knows Mopah.

Jess Baker is a body activist, fat liberation activist, a life coach and one of my very best friends.

You have probably heard her before on this podcast, if not I highly recommend it but also you don't have to have

listened to those to listen to this one. Jess and I have only met in person once she's all the way over in the US in Tucson, and she, we met

once in January this year and we did a huge show at the Union Chapel with amazing performers like Scotty,

Travis Alabanza, Megan Crabbe, Crystal Rasmussen, glamour. Oh, it was, it was Rosie Jones. It was an amazing night, 900 people in the audience.

The show was called The World is on Fire as a fun little oh isn't the world horrible joke and then and then the pandemic and I we should have called it other world is actually kind of still all right because at least we can go outside

because at least we can go outside but we didn't and now oh boy do I miss it do I miss doing shows and especially

with Jess and all the amazing people who are on the lineups there.

So that was the last time I saw Jez.

I speak to Jez almost every day.

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