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Wild Card with Rachel Martin

Bobbi Brown doesn’t listen to men in suits about makeup

Wild Card with Rachel Martin

NPR

Society & Culture

4.7989 Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

At 68 years old, Bobby Brown still has a competitive spirit. She lives by the words “watch me,” which has led to her success as a makeup artist, business mogul and TikTok star. She's written several books on makeup and beauty, but in her upcoming book "Still Bobbi," for the first time, she's telling her own story.

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0:00.0

Support for NPR and the following message comes from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

0:05.4

RWJF is a national philanthropy, working toward a future where health is no longer a privilege but a right.

0:12.1

Learn more at RWJF.org.

0:15.6

Has competition done more to help you or hurt you?

0:19.3

Definitely help. I love competition.

0:22.4

I find that competition just makes you be better.

0:26.2

And, you know, I do think what I do is better when it comes to makeup.

0:31.0

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wild Card, the show where cards control the conversation.

0:36.4

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life.

0:39.9

Questions pulled from a deck of cards.

0:42.0

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one question back on me.

0:45.7

My guest this week is Cosmetics mogul Bobby Brown.

0:48.9

There was a lot of women and a lot of men that just said yes.

0:52.4

Yes.

0:53.1

I was kind of the one that said,

0:55.2

no, I don't think that's right.

0:57.9

Bobby Brown's career started because of two words.

1:00.8

Why not?

1:01.6

Why not cold call a bunch of famous makeup artists to get her first job?

1:05.9

Why not make her own makeup?

1:07.7

Why not launch a new company and become a TikTok star in her 60s? When Bobby Brown

1:12.7

asks why not, it's like she's daring someone to answer, daring someone to curb her ambition,

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