Those to say stick to sports. On his own merits, Hank Aaron was one of the greatest baseball players who ever lived. But his story and his significance, in part, is because he faced blatant racism as he pursued Babe Ruth. And he triumphed over it, not just with his bat, but with his deep decency and dignity,

which existed to the day he died.

He was a genuine civil rights hero and a deeply decent man.

That's part of his story.

Hi there, everyone.

You are in for a real treat.

This week's guest said this one month before

Donald Trump was elected a second time. Quote, if you're an essentially decent person,

I don't think there's any position other than to be appalled that such a reprehensible person

was once president of the United States and seeks to be so again. If you're surprised at all to hear

that legendary sports broadcaster, the face of NBC's Olympics coverage for decades, Bob Costas said

that, then you haven't been paying close attention. Because he also came out swinging against

Disney, accusing it of paying a $15 million ransom when the company

settled a lawsuit against George Stephanopoulos.

He's also been a voice warning about the threats to a free press in America saying this,

quote, the free press is under attack.

Democracy, as we know it, is under attack.

So without any further ado, this is the best people, and this is Bob Costas.

Thank you for doing this.

Hello, Nicole. Let's see how much trouble you can get me into. The first 45 seconds got me into

some, I'm sure. But I think this is the conversation.

Why is everybody afraid?

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