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Was there a year where you felt like you hit a tipping point

and the work started pouring in?

Yeah.

Trying to think when that, there was,

there was two records that I did that came out at the same time, or within the same year, I think.

And it was that Wallflower's record and Fiona Apple's first record.

And within that year, And it was that Wallflower's record and Fiona Apple's first record.

And within that year, there was also Tori Amos did that choir girl hotel record with her, which was, it was her record where she had a band for the first time.

So all those records came out within a year of each other, and they all did really well.

And then drumming was all really great on them. They let me play. Thanks. They let me play.

The other cool thing, I guess the interesting thing, actually, is that they were all so different.

You couldn't really apply the same thing. I couldn't apply the way I played in the wallflowers to Fiona

because she was more of an R&B singer at the time and we were trying to figure out a different

way to make her sound unique because she could have easily have done the programmer

dude with synths kind of thing because her voice is very, it's that kind of like soulful thing.

And so luckily the producer of that record hired John Bryan and got some quirky elements

in there.

And we experimented a lot with drum sounds and try to make the drums sound like they were

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