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Hello and welcome to Trumpcast.

I'm Virginia Heffernan.

We have, as usual, a world turned upside down.

And my guest today to discuss this curious intersection of heightened racism with heightened

terror of death is echo Yanke a law professor at Cardozo School of Law in New York.

Echo is a prolific writer on election reform, criminal justice, and policing.

And in the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd in May, Yanke said,

we can no longer have an America where white problems are social problems and

black problems are policing problems.

We're going to talk about secrets in white families and secrets in black ones.

Basically, the archetypal uncles, we all have who we've jollyed along at family events as they

surfaced the disturbing truths about white supremacy.

One uncle by being a white supremacist and the other by seeing white supremacy everywhere.

What are we going to do with these wild truth tellers?

These uncles win or if all this is over?

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