Black and Evangelical?
The Esau McCaulley Podcast
Esau McCaulley
5.0 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 7 August 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
What does it mean to be Black and evangelical in a moment when both words carry so much baggage? Esau is joined by theologian and longtime Wheaton professor Dr. Vince Bacote, whose new documentary Black + Evangelical traces the overlooked history of African Americans in evangelical institutions. They talk about what it means to carry a Black church heritage into white evangelical spaces, why so many Black voices are celebrated until they speak up about race, and how many of today's tensions are echoes of the past.
0:00 - Theme Song
3:25 - Highest-Grossing Documentary
6:18 - Black and Evangelical
13:22 - Struggles Being Black and Evangelical
24:18 - Sponsor - No Small Endeavor - Award-winning podcast where theologians, philosophers, and best-selling authors talk about faith with Lee C. Camp. Start listening today: https://pod.link/1513178238
25:33 - Tom Skinner
28:30 - Tone Policing
33:33 - Emotion and Intellect
37:42 - Promise Keepers
45:45 - Hopeful Future for Black Evangelicalism
50:30 - End Credits
Black + Evangelical Documentary:
https://pages.christianitytoday.com/black-evangelicals-documentary-lp
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone, welcome to the Esau-Makali podcast. |
| 0:08.9 | You know, I ever thought about this, Mike. |
| 0:10.3 | Should I introduce you first or the guest? |
| 0:12.5 | I mean, probably the guest. |
| 0:13.6 | Okay. |
| 0:14.0 | Today on the podcast, we have Vince Baycote. |
| 0:17.1 | He is the director of something at Wheaton College. |
| 0:21.0 | What's it called? |
| 0:21.6 | The Center for Applied Christian Ethics. |
| 0:23.9 | There we go. |
| 0:24.3 | That's very fancy. |
| 0:24.8 | Also known in its case. |
| 0:25.8 | And you also professor theology. |
| 0:27.4 | And you produce podcasts. |
| 0:29.4 | Yeah, I was just thinking, I need a fancy title. |
| 0:31.8 | You produced podcast. |
| 0:32.6 | I produce. |
| 0:33.2 | My mom is so proud. |
| 0:34.6 | So you teach at Wheaton College. |
| 0:36.5 | How long have you been there? |
| 0:37.7 | I'm my 26 years. |
| 0:38.9 | Do you feel like you, like how many students you think you've taught over those years? |
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