‘Bitskrieg’ with John Arquilla
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🗓️ 25 August 2021
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Jack Goldsmith sat down with John Arquilla, an analyst with the RAND Corporation and professor emeritus with the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School. He's the author of the new book, “Bitskrieg: The New Challenge of Cyberwarfare.” The two discussed the challenges posed by cyber warfare, which John argues have been neither met nor mastered. He offers solutions for protecting against enemies that are often anonymous, unpredictable, and capable of projecting force and influence vastly disproportionate to their size, strength or wealth.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.9 | And I think not only in the United States, but in open societies in general, we have seen |
| 0:37.8 | a plague of political warfare emerging from cyberspace. |
| 0:42.4 | Look, the problem is that in an information age, everything that makes you prosperous and |
| 0:46.8 | powerful also makes you vulnerable. |
| 0:49.0 | And for the United States in particular, a point I make in the book, while we have paid |
| 0:54.0 | a great deal of attention to offensive capabilities, our defenses are certainly the worst in the |
| 1:00.6 | developed country. |
| 1:02.7 | And I'm not the only one who says this, Richard Clark, who is cybersar for a couple of presidents |
| 1:08.2 | wrote in his book on cyber war and he actually has a little table there where he reflects |
| 1:14.0 | on the offensive and defensive capabilities of the leading nations. |
| 1:19.4 | And the United States comes in absolutely last on defense. |
| 1:23.2 | And there was a time we talked about strategic defense initiative in terms of Star Wars |
| 1:28.8 | against nuclear weapons. |
| 1:30.4 | And we sort of realized that's never possible. |
| 1:32.5 | But we need a new strategic defense initiative and it needs to be aimed at improving our |
| 1:38.2 | security in cyberspace. |
| 1:41.0 | I'm Ian N. N. R. A. T. And this is the LawFair podcast for August 25, 2021. |
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